In the USA a man sentenced to death took more than 25 mins to die in Florida. The lethal injection did not work and they had to repeat the process. The witnesses said that he was groaning and gasping. The officials said he was peaceful and sleeping! This whole thing horrifies me for a number of reasons but the overriding one is that it is the Christian right who are the main supporters of this evil. Who are these people that want death and when it goes wrong don't seem to take responsibility for it? If anyone else tortured and killed someone in this way they themselves would be sentenced to death (Currently not in every state but if the Christian right get their way it would be). When its the state however they are exempt...especially as they are doing Gods will.
What amazes me even more is that the same group of people are strongly anti abortion. Killing of an innocent life is wrong...except when you are poor and facing the death penalty. There are numerous stories of innocent men on death row being released because of new DNA evidence etc and others who were clearly innocent but executed. Again I ask...who is responsible for these innocent deaths or near deaths?
Its scary being a Jesus person when the publicity we get is that we all support war on Arabs (in oil rich countries) and we support killing people in the name of the state. It also scary that while the USA Christian right are very strong and vocal in this type of christianity (?) it is growing in NZ and Australia...in fact everywhere. The scariest part is that is usually marketed as pro family lobby groups and political parties.....I say keep them away from my family as they are dangerous!
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Monday, December 18, 2006.
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12:17 am
Amen brother, the pro life movement doesn't seem to include adults as they are usually pro war and pro death penalty. Can't understand how we justify loving our enemies while we are killing them.
its a shame.
rev
7:14 am
Great point. I never connected the irony with pro lifers and death penalty folks. It seem amazing they're okay with some killing but other killing is a sin.
11:49 pm
Not one word about why these people receive the death penalty. The fact that they raped and murdered, or murdered then raped young children, or they slaughtered innocent people doesn't count.
You don't mention that side. And the cost in millions of dollars to incarcerate these criminals for decades - that's taxpayers' money down the gurgler to keep some arse-fucking violent killer in 4 star luxury.
And you have the Biblical example. God okayed slaughter of allegedly evil people. God murdered himself, I mean His Son (oh, that's the same thing but different) on the cross.
Are you just a blind one-sided stupid fuck?
Those so-called right-wing Christians have more Biblical justification than your poofy, bleeding heart, 1970's trendy shit.
7:46 pm
wow, what a happy one, david - what a ray of sunshine you are!
here's my response. who are we to say who lives and dies.
sure we had OT rules about stoning and etc. But Christ came and raised the bar on us. You know the whole log in your eye thing and if you have even had murderous thoughts you're no worse than a murderer (my paraphrasing).
I remember hearing Philip Yancey talk about two men who came to Christ in prison (both murderers earch serving life + sentances). they said that going to prison is what saved them and they devoted thier lives to saving as many prisoners as possible.
That floored me.
So punish those that do wrong? I'm not against that. Let em rot in jail. But deciding who should die? I don't want that responsibility, because I should be first in line (we all should be).
And besides, does one life ever replace another - I hardly think so.
7:47 pm
oh and david - grow a sack and post a reply so we can dialogue sometime. ranting in the dark is for sissies!
10:42 pm
There is enough written in black and white (or pink and pastel green in Angry and Shallow's Bible) in your beloved Bible to indict God on serious war crimes.
Now Jesus is God isn't he? And God doesn't change does he?
So this Jesus/God whose "birthday" you celebrate this time of the year is still the same brutal, nasty, vindictive and murderous bastard he was in the Old Testament.
I notice, however, many of today's Christians hold higher moral standards than the Bible God they worship. Just as well, or what a hellish society we would live in.
Who decides who live and dies? Now you know you can think of circumstances where you or others would have to make that decision. War. Personal defence. Mental illness. Greed. Lust. Military trials. Need I go on - maybe they don't all apply to all people all the time.
Get real - these right wing lunatic Christians are close to the Bible than you are.
And the ultimate act of a "loving" God - torturing people for an eternity for having the temerity not to intellectually assent to a bizzare set of beliefs.
10:45 pm
Oh and I don't drink enough piss to grow a sack.
Christmas is just another excuse to remain sober.
Fuck the Ozzy tradition.
All you hard drinking christmas spirit aussies out there - hope you die of liver failure. Get fucked.
11:16 am
Dave,
What I meant to say is - leave us a way to reply to you (email/website). Leaving acidic notes anonymously is no fun. I love to chat and dialgoue (you've left posts on my site too).
And I do have to agree on the Ozzy tradition - but I'll one up you on ours. Screw the american tradition. We don't drink and drink, but we buy and buy. Either way christmas isn't what Christmas is meant to be.
1:59 pm
You want an email address?
You're not happy conducting a public conversation? (That's a compliment to Angry - who reads this site anyway?)
Alright then, it's david517 at optus dot net dot com dot au.
6:51 pm
Replace optus with optusnet in the above.
6:51 pm
and replace net with com
6:52 pm
Ignore that.
Its optusnet dot com dot au.
Imagine if I were pissed
9:28 pm
David and Stuart...good you are talking! I've been off line for a few days so it's a bit late to join in now...but I stand by what I said.
12:21 pm
Your examples of the death penalty and the Iraq war remind me of the hypocrisy the US and EU take in other matters as well. When you look at issues of International Security (the US and Europe pay plenty of lip service to peace and protecting the people of Iraq from tyrants, yet are the major suppliers of Arms to developing nations in conflict) and International Trade (the US and Europe pressure developing nations to open up there markets, whilst protecting their own with heavy agricultural subsidies), things seem pretty bleak. I spoke to a friend whose brother works for a major oil company. He was moved to a position on the Iraqi border, ready to plunder the oil fields there, almost a YEAR before war was declared on Iraq for purposes of 'justice'. And what David pointed out about saving taxpayers money by executing prisoners is quite true. Perhaps, despite any rhetoric otherwise, it really is only money that makes the world go round?